To Eliot,
Thank you for reading my post and taking your time to honor me with a response. I added a parenthetical assumption in the first part of your quote that I hope you will afford me. In the last essay, I took issue with what was a mixing of ideas resulting in a worldview hodge-podge which was inconsistent with our observable reality. In this instance however, it is a bit different. While on the surface your statements may have the appearance of truth, there is much to be revealed when a proper scrutiny of your choice of words is applied.
Words are important because they are the only way that humans have to communicate. It is what separates us from every other living thing on this planet. If we are speaking, we are using words. If we are thinking, we are using words to define our thoughts. If we are showing emotions, others interpret them by labeling them with words. And if we are writing, we are using our words to make a permanent statement. The meanings of words are vital to our human existence. If somehow words were to lose their meanings, we humans would have a difficult time expressing much of anything.
In your comment you state, “Don’t Christians fall into the same trap of an apparent claim to infinite knowledge (as atheists)? Christians believe that there is ONLY ONE god thus they claim that there is no other god, anywhere else in the universe. So they are basically doing almost the exact same thing that atheists are doing.”
At first glance, this statement would seem to be true. However, upon further analysis, some problems arise with the very thesis statement of your argument. The first confusion comes with the coupling of words “apparent claim”. The word apparent has two meanings. It can mean “clearly seen or understood”. Or it can mean “appearing to be shown as, but perhaps not genuine”.
Your choice of the word “claim” here has interesting ramifications also. The word itself allows us tremendous freedom and therefore requires further definition. The word claim means to “maintain something is true”. Or it can mean “to state a truth without any evidence”. I may claim that wind blows across the face of the earth from all different points on the compass. I may also claim that I have a red, mint-condition, 1967 Shelby GT 500 in my garage. What would be the difference between these two claims? They are equally assertive claims, yet the difference is the evidence. There is no way to prove that I am right in my claim about the wind since the wind cannot be possessed. The only thing to do is to see if we observe anything in our world that would allow me to make such a reasonable conclusion. The evidence for the wind is all around me. I cannot see the wind itself, yet I can see the trees, bushes, flowers, and flags all being affected by the wind. The object of the claim is invisible, but the effect of the claim is visible. On the other hand, the evidence for the car would be the physical presence of the car in my driveway. The car is a possession. It would be easy to see if I was in possession of the evidence or if I was lying.
Here we are presented with a statement that be interpreted many different ways based upon the mathematical like precision of English grammar, context, and syntax. If we substitute your choice of words with their multiple meanings, there are four possible ways to interpret the first part of your comment. I will answer them each in turn.
1. Don’t Christians fall into the same trap (as atheists) by clearly maintaining that something is true?
The focus of this part of the question is what we can see. Do we observe atheists and Christians making claims of truth with the same level of tenacity and verve? The answer to this interpretation of your question is a resounding yes. In this instance the atheist and the Christian are the same. They both make obvious claims of truth and maintain them vigorously.
But here is the first fundamental error. The reason why the answer cannot be yes is because you mistake the claims of the Christian. The Christian is making an affirmation; the atheist is making a negation. The Christian does not claim infinite knowledge for oneself. The Christian claims infinite knowledge is held by God alone. The Christian does not need to, nor desires to claim infinite knowledge for oneself. The Christian desires to relinquish such accolades to One who deserves it. The Christian does not claim to be the source of knowledge. The Christian merely claims to have relational and experiential knowledge of the source. The Christian claim for evidence of God is based upon a reasonable assessment of mankind’s true infancy in knowledge.
My question to you is do you know anyone that does not believe in some type of absolute? Is there a person that exists who holds nothing to be true? If there is such a person he or she must be the most ignorant of all fools. Another question for you would be, why if every human is adhering to these things we call absolutes, do you deem them to be a trap or a trick? If this is the case, then the atheist has also been tricked. For the atheist holds himself to the absolute denial of the existence of God. In fact we have all been tricked according to your statement. Assuming for a moment that it was a trap, who set it out for the human race? The question in itself assumes that there is something more intelligent out there who is playing a huge trick on the minds and hearts of men. The question is not possible unless you innately reason that God exists.
2. Don’t Christians fall into the same trap (as atheists) by clearly stating a truth without any evidence?
In this interpretation of your question the emphasis is different. It is no longer a question of observable statements, but of available evidence. Are the atheist and the Christian the same with the levels of evidence that they have produced for their respective sides? I have selected the fields of evidence which we will discuss to be science, textual authority, and morality. Let us begin with the Christian. It is important to remember that since the object of debate is one that cannot be tested with our five senses, we are limited to what we can test with our five senses. Once we do this, we may then see if our conclusion lines up with reality.
Science
The scientific method involves asking a question, doing research, forming a hypothesis, testing your hypothesis through experimentation, analyzing of data and drawing a conclusion. It is only after you have completed this method that you have gone through the appropriate steps to make a claim. The question that the Christian asks is, is there a God? Since there is no physical proof of God’s existence, that is to say that he cannot be empirically proven, we are left to looking at the evidence of the effect of God that would agree with such a hypothesis.
Much like a person is not able to see sound waves, light waves, or wind, yet they can see the effects of them. The Christian will then look through the available research in the fields of chemistry, biochemistry, biological structure, dendrology, embryology, genetics, geology, bacteriology, astrophysics, mathematics, geophysics, astronomy, neurobiology, molecular biology, nutritional biochemistry, radiology, physics, anthropology, anatomy, physiology, organic chemistry, kinesiology, entomology, ecology, meteorology, ophthalmology, thermodynamics, and zoology. The Christian then analyzes the data he or she has gathered and makes a conclusion. The Christian’s conclusion is that due to the countless examples of irreducible complexity, fine tuning, design and craftsmanship in our universe in the aforementioned fields, that there must be a tuner, designer, and craftsman behind it all. This is confirmed by examples that we see in everyday life such as sculpting, painting, singing, dancing, drawing, and building construction. The Christian sees thousands of archaeological, paleontological, biological, chemical, nuclear, mathematical, logical and moral holes in Darwinian explanation of life. However, Christians are not the only ones to observe these great chasms of truth before us.
Two documents that have recently been created prove that Christians are not the only ones who feel that Darwin may have gotten it wrong. Both the Scientific Dissent From Darwinism (http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/index.php) and the Physicians and Surgeons for Scientific Integrity (http://www.pssiinternational.com/) are non-religious organizations. Yet, they have seen fit to band together and make a statement against Darwin’s claims. Not from a Christian viewpoint, but from a scientific and medical viewpoint. SDFD’s requirements for being a part of the document state that the signer “must either hold a Ph.D. in a scientific field such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, engineering, computer science, or one of the other natural sciences; or they must hold an M.D. and serve as a professor of medicine.” Signers of the Scientific Dissent From Darwinism hold doctorates in biological sciences, physics, chemistry, mathematics, medicine, computer science, from such institutions as Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Dartmouth, Rutgers, University of Chicago, Stanford and University of California at Berkeley. Many are also professors or researchers at Cambridge, Princeton, MIT, UCLA, University of Pennsylvania, University of Georgia, Tulane, Moscow State University, Chitose Institute of Science & Technology in Japan, and Ben-Gurion University in Israel. So the Christian observes confirmation his conclusion from scientists inside and outside of the Christian religion.
Now we will look at the atheist. What evidence does the atheist provide for the contrary? What areas and fields of study within the realm of science can they reference to suggest otherwise? What non religious organizations have been formed in order to affirm the very claims of the atheist? What empirical proof has been gathered to show that God does not exist? There is none at all. There is no proof to show that order arrives from chaos. There is no experiment that has proven that life arises from non-life. Nowhere has it been found, observed, or recorded that the universe is eternal. What paper has been published which proves that complexity in any area can be orchestrated by something less complex than the thing itself? The problem of the atheist is that besides being forced to ignore all these legitimate questions, he has to positively demonstrate that God does not exist. What science does the atheist turn to and say, “See, that experiment affirms my hypothesis a little bit more.” One of the most popular arguments that is presented, is that since we cannot hear, see, touch, feel or smell God, therefore he must not exist. The problem with this approach is that by the same logic I cannot sense thoughts, hatred, love, fear, empathy, grace, etc. Yet no reasonable person would deny their existence. So the fact that I cannot have the kind of evidence that I desire, does not mean that I am justified in ruling out the possibility.
Textual Authority
The Christian bases his truths upon the Bible. There are many ways to show that the Bible is what it says it is. Here is some evidence that confirms things found in the Bible. The areas that we will discuss here are prophecy, scientific accuracy, number of original manuscripts and timeline of production, and historical sources.
Prophecy
As there are too many examples to list them all, I will provide five examples of fulfilled prophecy that would have been impossible for Jesus to manipulate. There are many more, but I feel that these are some of the most compelling. I will cite the verse in the Bible that states a prophetic word and then cite the verse in which it was fulfilled. (Note – if you are under the impression that the prophecies were fulfilled because Jesus saw an opportunity to become famous, or if you suggest that because he knew the prophecies he was able to fulfill them, than you clearly have not done your research and you must believe that Jesus was the most influential, crafty, deceitful, creative, naive, insane and successful liar the world has ever seen. I would ask you to provide any shred of evidence showing that this is so.)
- Jesus foretells his own death and resurrection.
- Verse of Prophecy – Matthew 20:17-19 – Now as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the twelve disciples aside and said to them, We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!
- Fulfillment – His death on the cross and recorded resurrection witnessed by over 500 people.
- Isaiah foretells that Jesus will be born of a virgin 700 years before Jesus arrived.
- Verse of Prophecy – Isaiah 7:14 – Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
- Fulfillment – Jesus born of a virgin.
- Jesus foretells that His words would never be forgotten
- Verse of Prophecy – Luke 21:33 – Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away
- Fulfillment – The fact that even one person remembers what Jesus said to this day is fulfillment of this prophecy.
- The Gospel would reach all corners of the earth
- Verse of prophecy – Isaiah 49:6 – “It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth.”
- Fulfillment – Christians are scattered all over the globe bringing this message with them.
- Jesus would be buried in a rich man’s tomb
- Verse of Prophecy – Isaiah 53:9 – He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.
- Fulfillment – Jesus had no grave and was instead buried in a grave owned by a rich man – Joseph of Aramathia
Scientific Accuracy
- Statements Consistent With Astronomy
- Innumerable stars
- Genesis 22:17 – Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.
- Jeremiah 33:22 – “As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.”
- Uniqueness of stars.
- 1 Corinthians 15:41 – There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
- Precision of movement in the universe.
- Jeremiah 31:35, 36 – Thus says the LORD, Who gives the sun for a light by day, The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night, Who disturbs the sea, And its waves roar (The LORD of hosts is His name): “If those ordinances depart From before Me, says the LORD, Then the seed of Israel shall also cease From being a nation before Me forever.”
- Suspension of the Earth in space.
- Job 26:7 – He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing.
- Statements Consistent With Meteorology
- Circulation of the atmosphere.
- Ecclesiastes 1:6 – The wind goes toward the south, And turns around to the north; The wind whirls about continually, And comes again on its circuit.
- Fluid dynamics.
- Job 28:25 – To establish a weight for the wind, And apportion the waters by measure.
- Statements Consistent With Biology
- Value of blood.
- Leviticus 17:11 – ‘For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’
- Biogenesis and the stability of each kind of living organism.
- Genesis 1:11,12 – Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
- Genesis 1:21 – So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
- Genesis 1:25 – And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
- Chemical nature of flesh.
- Genesis 2:7 – And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
- Genesis 3:19 – In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.
- Mental and spiritual health in correlation with physical health.
- Proverbs 12:4 – An excellent wife is the crown of her husband, But she who causes shame is like rottenness in his bones.
- Proverbs 14:30 – A sound heart is life to the body, But envy is rottenness to the bones.
- Proverbs 15:30 – The light of the eyes rejoices the heart, And a good report makes the bones healthy.
- Proverbs 16:24 – Pleasant words are like a honeycomb, Sweetness to the soul and health to the bones.
- Proverbs 17:22 – A merry heart does good, like medicine, But a broken spirit dries the bones.
- Statements Consistent With Anthropology
- People inhabited caves.
- Job 30:5,6 – They were driven out from among men, They shouted at them as at a thief. They had to live in the clefts of the valleys, In caves of the earth and the rocks.
- Statements Consistent With Hydrology
- Hydrologic cycle.
- Psalm 135:7 – He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth; He makes lightning for the rain; He brings the wind out of His treasuries.
- Jeremiah 10:13 – When He utters His voice, There is a multitude of waters in the heavens: “And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth. He makes lightning for the rain, He brings the wind out of His treasuries.”
- Job 36:27-29 – For He draws up drops of water, Which distill as rain from the mist, Which the clouds drop down And pour abundantly on man. Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds, The thunder from His canopy?
- Recirculation of water.
- Ecclesiastes 1:7 – All the rivers run into the sea, Yet the sea is not full; To the place from which the rivers come, There they return again.
- Isaiah 55:10 – For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, And do not return there, But water the earth, And make it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower And bread to the eater,
- Amount of water that can be held as condensation in clouds.
- Job 26:8 – He binds up the water in His thick clouds, Yet the clouds are not broken under it.
- Job 37:11 – Also with moisture He saturates the thick clouds; He scatters His bright clouds.
- Hydrothermal vents
- Genesis 7:11 – In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
- Job 38:16 – Have you entered the springs of the sea? Or have you walked in search of the depths?
- Statements Consistent With Geology
- Earth has a foundation or core.
- Jeremiah 31:37 – Thus says the LORD: “If heaven above can be measured, And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel For all that they have done, says the LORD.”
- Shape of the earth
- Isaiah 40:22 – It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
- Statements Consistent With Physics
- The presence of nuclear processes associated with nuclear weaponry.
- 2 Peter 3:10 – But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
- A description of something that allows everyone on earth to see a single event. (internet or TV)
- Matthew 24:30 – Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
- Revelation 11:9-11 – Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth. Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.
Number of original manuscripts and timeline of production
The key to this topic is to compare the gap between the existence of events or people and the first written recording of those events. Let’s see how the Bible stands up with some other historical works.
- Secular Manuscripts
- Gap between death of individual and first writing of original manuscripts
- Herodotus – 300 years
- Thucydides – 300 years
- Aristotle – 1,400 years
- Caesar – 1,000 years
- Pliny – 750 years
- Suetonius – 800 years
- Tacitus – 1,000 years
- Biblical Manuscripts
- Gap between death of individual or ending of historical period and first writing of original manuscripts.
- John Rylands (John) – 40 years
- Bodmer Papyrus II (John) – 60-110 years
- Chester Beatty Papyri (New Testament) – 150 years after historical period
- Diatessaron by Tatian (Gospels) – 150 years after historical period
- Codex Vaticanus (Bible) – 275- 300 years after historical period
- Codex Sinaiticus (Bible) – 300 years after historical period
- Codex Alexandrinus (Bible) – 350 years after historical period
- Dead Sea Scrolls (Bible) – began during historical period and was completed within 70 years of historical period
Historical Sources
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- “Accordingly, after He was crucified, even all His acquaintances forsook Him, having denied Him; and afterwards, when He had risen from the dead and appeared to them, and had taught them to read the prophecies in which all these things were foretold as coming to pass, and when they had seen Him ascending into heaven, and had believed, and had received power sent thence by Him upon them, and went to every race of men, they taught these things, and were called apostles.” – Justin Martyr, to Emperor Antoninus Pius, circa 150 AD
- “He must needs be manifested in the flesh. He preached teaching Israel and performing so many wonders and miracles, and He loved them exceedingly. He chose His own apostles who were to proclaim His Gospel. But He Himself desired so to suffer; for it was necessary for Him to suffer on a tree.” – Barnabas, circa 138 AD
- “The deeds of our Saviour were always before you, for they were true miracles; those that were healed, those that were raised from the dead, who were seen, not only when healed and when raised, but were always present. They remained living a long time, not only whilst our Lord was on earth, but likewise when He had left the earth. So that some of them have also lived to our own times.” – Quadratus, to Emperor Hadrian, circa 125 AD
- “Be ye fully persuaded concerning the birth and the passion and the resurrection, which took place in the time of the governorship of Pontius Pilate; for these things were truly and certainly done by Jesus Christ our hope.” – Ignatius, letter to the Magnesians, circa 115 AD
- “He is truly of the race of David according to the flesh, but Son of God by the Divine will and power, truly born of a virgin and baptized by John that all righteousness might be fulfilled by Him, truly nailed up in the flesh for our sakes under Pontius Pilate and Herod the tetrarch (of which fruit are we–that is, of his most blessed passion); that He might set up an ensign unto all ages through His resurrection. For I know and believe that He was in the flesh even after the resurrection; and when He came to Peter and his company, He said to them, ‘Lay hold and handle me, and see that I am not a demon without body.’ And straightway they touched him, and they believed, being joined unto His flesh and His blood. Wherefore also they despised death, nay they were found superior to death. And after His resurrection He ate with them and drank with them.” – Ignatius, letter to the Smyrneans, circa 115 AD
This Bible is a collection of ancient scrolls and scriptures that have been miraculously and perfectly preserved throughout the millennium. These scriptures have been scrutinized down to the letter. Even the atheist has futilely spent time trying to disprove the very things that this book states. The Bible has been tested for historical accuracy, societal accuracy, and accuracy of translation. All the while, these same scriptures have been the focus of eradication for as long as they have existed. The Christian would say one need not look further than the person of Jesus Christ as evidence for the existence of God. Three or so recorded years of this man’s life, changed history. Can you name another person who has rippled the ocean of human existence such as He did? Of course you cannot, for there is no one else who has the capacity to do so. These are the arguments from evidence that the Christian uses in his claim of the existence of God.
Morality
Every human being on the face of the Earth has a conscience. If you do not agree with this statement I would ask you to provide proof to the contrary. The word conscience is derived from the Greek word suneidesis. Suneidesis is made up of two words: sun, meaning with, and oida meaning to know. Quite literally the word means with knowledge. Every single time that you or I have done something wrong we have known that it was wrong in our hearts without anyone having to tell us so. This is achieved by our conscience.
The Christian stands on the fact that the Bible says in Romans 2:14-15: “For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another. This verse tells us that even there were those who were not in possession of the law of Moses (the Ten Commandments), they knew what it was in there hearts and were able to either accuse or excuse one another based upon their consciences.
The Ten Commandments lay out for us very clearly things that are considered by God to be a standard of right and wrong. The Bible says that our consciences bear witness to our acts. When we commit acts of wrong or evil, we are aware of it in our hearts that we are doing so. Even the atheist will agree with the Ten Commandments which say that lying, murder, covetousness, and theft are wrong. But why would such a person who denies the existence of God, agree with the standards that He has put forth? The answer is simple, because his conscience is bearing witness.
The Christian states that we have an objective moral law. There are things that are right and good, and there are things that are wrong and evil. If there is a moral law that all men are aware of in their hearts due to their conscience, then there must have been a moral law giver. This is yet another reason for the existence of God. Let us see how the atheist determines his morality.
In the worldview of the atheist there can be no right and no wrong for there is nothing to base it upon. Atheism at its root is naturalistic and humanistic in nature and gives man no more credit than an ape, shark, or bug. By these naturalistic standards, we cannot be held accountable for any action at all for it is nothing more than the actions of an animal.
Yet here is the interesting phenomenon that we observe. We find many atheists saying that you don’t need God to be moral, yet they never provide a definition of where moral law comes from. There is no explanation for the conscience in naturalism, for there is no need for one. Here is a question for the atheist: If we are truly animals as you would suggest, why did we evolve a conscience, only to be tormented by it when we commit acts of evil or ill will against another one of our animal companions? Is it not just the same as a bear ripping a salmon apart only to eat the eggs inside? On what basis do you stand to tell me that my actions are wrong or right? Here we see the breakdown of the idea that there is no moral law, for even those who deny that it exists, are bound by it in their judgments and pronouncements.
3. Don’t Christians fall into the same trap (as atheists) because they have the appearance of a claim to truth but perhaps do not truly adhere to their own claims?
It is possible for any person on the face of this earth to misrepresent what it is they truly believe. We do it all the time when we tell someone that we like their shirt when we really hate it. We do it when we eat someone’s home cooked meal and respectfully tell them it was great as we put it into our napkin. It is called lying. We have all done it, and we all have the capacity to do it. So in this interpretation of your question, yes it is possible for someone to claim to be a Christian yet not truly adhere to it in their own heart, just as it is possible for someone to claim to be an atheist and not truly be one in their heart.
4. Don’t Christians fall into the same trap (as atheists) because they have the appearance of a claim to truth without any evidence?
This interpretation is closer to the second version of your question. In this question you are asking if Christians and atheists both have merely the appearance of a claim to truth while not producing any evidence. The answer to your question is no. As we discussed above by my limited examples, the Christian can produce reams of evidence from outside his own belief system that confirm the very things within that belief system. The atheist cannot do this. The atheist cannot stand on his evidence because the evidence is constantly shifting. The atheist is required to change his evidence to fit his worldview, whereas the Christian changes his worldview to suit the evidence. I ask you, which one of these sounds more intellectually honest to you?
In the latter part of your comment you state “Christians believe that there is ONLY ONE god thus they claim that there is no other god, anywhere else in the universe. So they are basically doing almost the exact same thing that atheists are doing.”
The Christian creed that there is only one God, and the atheist creed that there is no God are not the same thing. As stated before, one is an affirmation, and the other is an absolute negation. Your insertion of the word almost, shows that even you cannot equate the claims to be the same. You had a choice to omit that word, or to include it. By including it you have allowed me freedom to show that while your head may desire to put the claims of the Christian on par with the atheist, your fingers would not let you do so.
As far as the idea of only claiming the existence of one God, how many gods would you desire? What type of god needs help? That is not a god. That is a glorified human. What kind of a god would need an assistant or another equal? When the proposal for the existence of one God is enough, why create more?
In conclusion, it is important to remember, that while you would desire to equate the claims of the atheist and Christian, you are not giving them equal levels of scrutiny. The requirements that you have put upon the Christian are not the same as enforced upon the atheist. I would encourage you to dive deeper into the topics and areas we have discussed and try to disprove the existence of God. I can assure you that you will not be able to do it. That is the point. The Christian never has claimed that God’s existence can be proven. Christians will freely tell you that it is a matter of faith. That being said I must ask you, what type of faith is required of the atheist in his conclusion? How much faith does it required to rule out the existence of God? In this respect, the atheist is more like the Christian than you would like to believe, yet in a different area. Not in the area of claims that they make, but the amount of faith which is required. The main difference is in the simplicity of the explanation. If God exists, there are many questions easily answered. If He does not exist, more questions are created than there are answers.